tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post122944040842004863..comments2023-10-21T11:46:32.529+01:00Comments on Madame Arcati: Precious Williams writes to Donald Trelford ...Madame Arcatihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04823823014493798116noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-19416992842369468202007-06-20T12:57:00.000+01:002007-06-20T12:57:00.000+01:00Marlon Brando to star in the upcoming Terminator 4...Marlon Brando to star in the upcoming Terminator 4, wow!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-11701643516736214412007-06-20T11:51:00.000+01:002007-06-20T11:51:00.000+01:00> As for Lorenzo, would someone scrape him off the...> As for Lorenzo, would someone scrape him off the road and give him a decent burial. He deserves that at least.<BR/><BR/>I'm moved to tears by such a solicitude. But you would miss me, carissima, wouldn't you? <BR/><BR/>Don't worry, I'll be back! Godfathers never die. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-26348361608923769492007-06-18T22:13:00.000+01:002007-06-18T22:13:00.000+01:00"they come here to learn something or be entertain..."they come here to learn something or be entertained. Who knows?"<BR/><BR/>Resentment (or even hate) might be a reasonable hypothesis too. I'm surprised you didn't think of it :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-86996318998491740272007-06-18T20:17:00.000+01:002007-06-18T20:17:00.000+01:00Going back to the original subject matter, Donald ...Going back to the original subject matter, Donald Trelford. I've read quite a few of his columns and he seems to have a real penchant for writing misleading, poorly put-together bullshit. Here's a commentary on another one of his little gems:<BR/><BR/>http://mediastandardstrust.blogspot.com/search/label/TrelfordAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-48290967816719305072007-06-18T17:19:00.000+01:002007-06-18T17:19:00.000+01:00Ah, hush, Madame. When you wish someone's death, i...Ah, hush, Madame. When you wish someone's death, it means that they scare you, don't you know ? I must say that Lorenzo's sharp eye is quite disturbing. Perhaps you should improve your working methods, after all. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-10586314058535110582007-06-18T16:54:00.000+01:002007-06-18T16:54:00.000+01:00Law, politics, PR & marketing, sales, education .....Law, politics, PR & marketing, sales, education ... oooh, just as bitchy. It's just journalists express it better.<BR/><BR/>As for Lorenzo, would someone scrape him off the road and give him a decent burial. He deserves that at least.Madame Arcatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823823014493798116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-64904212327688895092007-06-18T16:29:00.000+01:002007-06-18T16:29:00.000+01:00Hmmm, Arcati has her lap dogs, as we can see, and ...Hmmm, Arcati has her lap dogs, as we can see, and my bet is she won't complain if they believe they know her much better than I do. :-)<BR/><BR/>> MA is far from being 'amateur,' she's a great writer<BR/><BR/>Not so bad as a writer, I don't deny. But definitely an amateur as a journalist.<BR/><BR/>> with first class contacts and a big following in the media. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, according to her.<BR/><BR/>Arcati said:<BR/><BR/>> He wouldn't know whether the man who calls himself Perez Hilton is a friend or not, and he certainly has no idea about Spacey<BR/><BR/>Not really as a matter of fact. But at least I can read properly, and I don't need... which word did Duralex say?... ah yes, douchebags, LOL... to tell me what to think before I read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-63864445977650510492007-06-18T15:34:00.000+01:002007-06-18T15:34:00.000+01:00Lorenzo,If you don't like MA why are you spending ...Lorenzo,<BR/>If you don't like MA why are you spending so much time on the site? Find some daytime telly to watch instead.<BR/><BR/>MA is far from being 'amateur', she's a great writer with first class contacts and a big following in the media. <BR/><BR/>Stop being so grumpy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-91805959357543211772007-06-18T15:32:00.000+01:002007-06-18T15:32:00.000+01:00But apparently some others do...< Lorenzo's principal folly is that he thinks he knows what I am - in fact he knows nothing. ><BR/><BR/>But apparently some others do...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-2586381919875552232007-06-18T15:27:00.000+01:002007-06-18T15:27:00.000+01:00"Roadkill", oh dear, I'm on my ass laughing ! Brav..."Roadkill", oh dear, I'm on my ass laughing ! Bravo, Arcati, stick to your guns ! My grandmother always told me: "When you can't defend yourself, attack."<BR/>But don't exhaust yourself please, chérie, I'd be so sorry !<BR/> <BR/><< He wouldn't know whether the man who calls himself Perez Hilton is a friend or not >><BR/><BR/>If Perez Hilton is actually a friend of yours, well, that means something, and I wouldn't boast about it if I were you. It's a matter of credibility : that guy is a complete and utter douchebag.<BR/><BR/><< Perhaps they have too much time on their hands or they come here to learn something or be entertained. Who knows?<BR/> >><BR/><BR/>All the journalists are voyeurs, you ought to know. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-34405013052743020382007-06-18T14:03:00.000+01:002007-06-18T14:03:00.000+01:00Lorenzo's principal folly is that he thinks he kno...Lorenzo's principal folly is that he thinks he knows what I am - in fact he knows nothing. But guess work does not thwart his sense of certainty. He wouldn't know whether the man who calls himself Perez Hilton is a friend or not, and he certainly has no idea about Spacey, the poor sap - is it possible Lorenzo lives in a maximum security twilight home? Does Lorenzo toil for Reader's Digest?<BR/><BR/>If Arcati is without influence why do so many newspaper and magazine journalists visit it? - I tot up the numbers each day on Google Analytics. They leave a great many comments too. Perhaps they have too much time on their hands or they come here to learn something or be entertained. Who knows?<BR/><BR/>Lorenzo admits to being "intrigued" by Arcati. This is flattering indeed from someone who otherwise could pass credibly as roadkill.Madame Arcatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823823014493798116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-67467719856489298872007-06-18T11:40:00.000+01:002007-06-18T11:40:00.000+01:00Madame A "a pointless scum"?Way, way too harsh, su...Madame A "a pointless scum"?<BR/><BR/>Way, way too harsh, surely?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-37429378554834507582007-06-18T11:34:00.000+01:002007-06-18T11:34:00.000+01:00"As to my dear friend Mr Hilton, that's all a matt..."As to my dear friend Mr Hilton, that's all a matter of interpretation. Spacey's words were plainly coded. He may as well have said "I will survive!" <BR/><BR/>With due respect, madame, an argumentation based upon mere imagination is the weakest you can develop. Words are words.<BR/>But you're right : Spacey will survive, whether his stalkers like it or not, and he'll keep teasing them until death – their death, natch ;-).<BR/><BR/>What were we talking about, again?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-2315446634147919102007-06-18T10:58:00.000+01:002007-06-18T10:58:00.000+01:00> As to my dear friend Mr Hilton,He'd certainly be...> As to my dear friend Mr Hilton,<BR/><BR/>He'd certainly be flattered if he knew he's your "dear friend".<BR/><BR/>> that's all a matter of interpretation.<BR/><BR/>You said it, not me.<BR/><BR/>> Spacey's words were plainly coded. He may as well have said "I will survive!". It's subtextual<BR/><BR/>Too much "Da Vinci code", carissima. :-) <BR/><BR/>> The great thing about blogs is that highly paid editors can no longer control what will be published or not - and messages are no longer manipulated by establishment assumptions. <BR/><BR/>It's much more trustable, of course, when they are manipulated by anonymous and masked amateurs... On the web anybody can say whatever they want about whoever they want, it's just meaningless.<BR/>You and your breed are living in the delusion of being very influential, whereas you're nothing but a pointless scum. No one takes your blather seriously, but you're irritating enough to draw an intrigued attention. That's all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-54888112555728406152007-06-18T08:08:00.000+01:002007-06-18T08:08:00.000+01:00Dear Lorenzo, plainly you're not used to being con...Dear Lorenzo, plainly you're not used to being contradicted, the sign of an armchair critic if ever there was one.<BR/><BR/>As to my dear friend Mr Hilton, that's all a matter of interpretation. Spacey's words were plainly coded. He may as well have said "I will survive!". It's subtextual, so that may have passed you by, you being one of the trustees of culture who just love this site.<BR/><BR/>As to slapdash bloggers - well, the dead tree hacks would say that wouldn't they? Let's forget about the daily newspaper apologies to lied about victims and the many complaints to the Press Complaints Comm, and not forgetting the many examples of inaccuracy, fiction and prejudice that maybe daily discovered in the prints.<BR/><BR/>Your quoting Clive Davis quoting Donald Trelford is doubly risible. The Trelford piece - on Snow/Williams - is widely regarded as rubbish, fed to him by persons at the Mail on Sunday. Trelford's time as Observer editor was not a high point of British journalism.<BR/><BR/>The great thing about blogs is that highly paid editors can no longer control what will be published or not - and messages are no longer manipulated by establishment assumptions.Madame Arcatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823823014493798116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-70904361680355943442007-06-17T14:47:00.000+01:002007-06-17T14:47:00.000+01:00How curious, I would have sworn that this article ...How curious, I would have sworn that this article with all its comments had been removed, but it’s still there. I must have been hallucinating. It’s those mushrooms, you know. ;-)<BR/>Anyway...<BR/><BR/>> How odd that you think professionals would not share this concern. (ie trustability).<BR/><BR/>Don’t pretend you didn’t get me, please. I never said nor thought that. I just said it’s interesting that you, the less trustable blogging “journalist”, worry about it in the official press. Does it make more sense now?<BR/><BR/>> I almost shiver with delight at your naive and child-like assumption that a "professional" always uses reliable and unquestionable sources.<BR/><BR/>Neither did I ever assume that, on the contrary. Hell, I ought to know! Can you read?<BR/><BR/>Apart from that, I came across Clive Davis’ (wise) opinion about the current topic:<BR/><BR/>http://www.spectator.co.uk/clivedavis/31958/private-lives.thtml<BR/><BR/>I quote his conclusion: “All in all, a tale worth bearing in mind next time you hear a journalist complaining about the slapdash work habits of bloggers.” Approximately what I was saying ironically the other day.<BR/> <BR/>Then Arcati asked foolhardily:<BR/><BR/>> And which chickens have come home to roost at Arcati, my sweet? Which questionable sources in which stories - your proof? Are you perhaps writing on empty here?<BR/><BR/>Arcati, your self-indulgence (or is it blindness?) just stuns me – it’s not the first time: remember the Jonathan King debate.<BR/>One name, cara: Perez Hilton. Does it ring a bell to you? On may 23, you quoted him as gospel, laying yourself open to ridicule in case an innocent observer would publish the whole interview PH used – and abused… – which inevitably happened. Of course, the actual tenor of this interview was in complete contradiction with PH’s shameless manipulation.. and your own giddy assumptions. So much for your demanding intellectual honesty, signorina.<BR/>I won’t tell you “go in peace and don’t sin again”, because I know you can’t help it. There’s no cure for such a foolishness. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-23581694140056702552007-06-14T21:38:00.000+01:002007-06-14T21:38:00.000+01:00The path from reporter to reader is strewn with th...The path from reporter to reader is strewn with the broken glass of rewrites by the newsdesk, copy taster, page editor and sub.<BR/><BR/>No wonder there is sometimes blood on the floor.<BR/><BR/>Wrong to assume journalists have an agenda because we haven't. Try rattling off eight editions a day and updating the internet half a dozen times with running stories/pictures/video and you can see how easily it can all go wrong. <BR/><BR/>I do around three interviews a day with my other hat on, as director of Bullying Online (www.bullying.co.uk), and I deal with all the nationals, TV, radio, newsagencies, documentary makers, local media etc, often on controversial stories. Believe me, they're all very good, particularly the NOTW, Sun and Guardian.<BR/><BR/>When stuff is wrong it's often a genuine misunderstanding, a mishearing on the phone or something has been cut out of the story in haste, accidentally changing the meaning. <BR/><BR/>I just don't share the cynicism about the media because I think we do a great job, particularly when we use FoI to expose stuff people would like to keep quiet. <BR/><BR/>Anonymous asks whether people realise how often newspapers get sued.<BR/><BR/>The answer is not often because people with empty pockets try it on. Threats of legal action are an occupational hazard but as lawyers want £40,000 up front to start a High Court action unless you're super-rich and can risk that sort of dosh to win £3,500 forget it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-53578224662531545332007-06-14T17:57:00.000+01:002007-06-14T17:57:00.000+01:00Poor Lorenzo, it must be all those magic mushrooms...Poor Lorenzo, it must be all those magic mushrooms in his pasta sauce.<BR/><BR/>I should think any journalist - or anyone interested in the media - would be concerned about trust. Without trust, what have you got? How odd that you think professionals would not share this concern. As a notion it's kinky, I'll say that.<BR/><BR/>And which chickens have come home to roost at Arcati, my sweet? Which questionable sources in which stories - your proof? Are you perhaps writing on empty here? Try a little research, it might reconnect you with some residual talent that has somehow got waylaid.<BR/><BR/>I almost shiver with delight at your naive and child-like assumption that a "professional" always uses reliable and unquestionable sources. Bless. You need to acquaint yourself with the Press Complaints Comm, and tot up the number of apologies newspapers run per week to lied-about victims.<BR/><BR/>Lorenzo, if you are any kind of journalist - and may I congratulate you on your persuasive appearance to the contrary - you may find it useful to your trade to quit that comfortable armchair you snooze in once too often. Rise and shine for Madame!Madame Arcatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823823014493798116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-57355694662648540912007-06-14T17:01:00.000+01:002007-06-14T17:01:00.000+01:00No, newspapers cannot be trusted but some papers a...No, newspapers cannot be trusted but some papers are definitely less trustworthy than others. When I read The Sun, The News of the World, The Daily Mail or The Mail on Sunday, I assume their content is bullshit and I don't trust their so-called revelations and "scoops" one tiny bit. Do you realize how frequently the above-named papers get sued? It's obvious that they just print whatever shit they feel like printing and that they realize they will be sued quite often because they are so untruthful. What I'd say happened here is that there is some truth in the story, ie Jon Snow and Precious Williams had sex at some point or another, The Mail on Sunday blew the whole thing out of proportion as that filthy rag is prone to do and voila, a "scandal". <BR/>Personally I treat such rags as the Associated newspapers, The Sun etc as though they are works of fiction. Why? Because for the most part they are.<BR/>You'd have to be insane to fully "trust" anything the Mail on Sunday publishes....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-15164184880446583842007-06-14T16:47:00.000+01:002007-06-14T16:47:00.000+01:00> Can ANY newspaper be trusted ?Yes, but never tho...> Can ANY newspaper be trusted ?<BR/><BR/>Yes, but never thoroughly. :-) All the journalists know that, don't they? <BR/>When are they trustable, then ? (I'm talking about the serious press naturally, not about the tabloïds, although they tend to mix dangerously nowadays.) Well, that's the question!<BR/><BR/>I find rather significant that Arcati worries about that. It's a clue that she's probably a fake journalist, or just an amateur. A real one would not be so naïve. I have noticed other proofs of her amateurishness, especially her haste to quote questionable sources without the slightest previous verification. A somewhat embarrassing consequence is that her chickens invariably come home to roost.<BR/><BR/>In other words, before questioning the reliability of the newspapers, la Donna could question herself first. She might learn a lot. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-37394061881881053152007-06-14T13:25:00.000+01:002007-06-14T13:25:00.000+01:00Duralex asks..."Can ANY newspaper be trusted?".Hop...Duralex asks..."Can ANY newspaper be trusted?".<BR/><BR/>Hope so Duralex, otherwise I'm out of a job. <BR/><BR/>In the context of the current controversy this makes interesting reading http://www.medialens.org/articles/interviews/jon_snow.php <BR/>LizAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-71607974862187575122007-06-14T12:56:00.000+01:002007-06-14T12:56:00.000+01:00The most incredible part of this "story" is the wa...The most incredible part of this "story" is the way everyone seems to be taking Jon Snow's denials as the gospel truth. BwahahahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-45954261816209455142007-06-14T12:25:00.000+01:002007-06-14T12:25:00.000+01:00>Ah, sheesh, see what happens when I forget the sm...<< Who said it was of the highest political importance? No one. Try to keep up, dearie. >><BR/><BR/>Ah, sheesh, see what happens when I forget the smiley...<BR/><BR/><< This matter is about whether a major national newspaper can be trusted, whether a trusted political journalist can be trusted - it's a media story. <BR/> >><BR/><BR/>Can ANY newspaper be trusted ?<BR/>Besides, I hope you don't judge a rag's trustability by the way they report sex scandals, otherwise... :-)<BR/><BR/><< Anything deemed important by His Highness? >><BR/><BR/>Not much, as a matter of fact. I'm an incurable skeptic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-41529482956454741082007-06-14T11:58:00.000+01:002007-06-14T11:58:00.000+01:00Who said it was of the highest political importanc...Who said it was of the highest political importance? No one. Try to keep up, dearie. This matter is about whether a major national newspaper can be trusted, whether a trusted political journalist can be trusted - it's a media story. <BR/><BR/>And what's importance? Anything deemed important by His Highness?Madame Arcatihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04823823014493798116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30643113.post-67831745581286623212007-06-14T11:33:00.000+01:002007-06-14T11:33:00.000+01:00And that's why the Snow-Williams affair is a matte...And that's why the Snow-Williams affair is a matter of highest political importance. Oh tabernak, please stop or I'll die laughing !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com